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16 December 2012 @ 11:00 pm
To Dungeons Deep And Caverns Old.  
I'm finally getting a chance to stop in and tell you how fucking awesome The Hobbit was and how just the opening bits of the Shire score brought tears to my eyes with a long ago love that warms my heart. Also the Ring score. And also the shot of the Shire, all green and lush and calling me home. /sigh/

For those of you that have not seen it yet - as I know a few who are waiting to see it with family over the holidays - if you want to know where the first movie ends off, (as I kind of wanted to know going in), let me tell you...…the point where the eagles rescue them from the wargs and the goblins and the forest fire, after the escape from the mountain and Bilbo’s interactions with Gollum.

And now, my completely spoilery thoughts for those of you who have seen it already.

First of all, they could not have cast anyone better than Martin Freeman. Not in a hundred years. Beautiful and perfect and Bilbo down to the bone. There is this thing that happens in the book - which is easy to explain in words but I thought would be rather hard to convey in visuals - where as Bilbo is listening to the Dwarves talk about their plans in his kitchen that first night, something of his Took side awakens and he starts dreaming about adventure. There is no other explanation for why Bilbo suddenly leaves his warm home and goes running off, but how do you show that on screen? Martin Freeman nailed it - you could see the little gears in his head turning almost. It was just lovely.

Just going back to Middle-Earth had my heart swelling, but then they hit so many lines and moments from the book that made me so happy. Like, they had Gandalf say his ‘good morning’ speech! Even though they added many things, they kept those little moments that made it the story I love.

And while many things made me tear-up, the thing that made me cry actual tears was when Bilbo gives them the speech about Home and how he will help them get theirs back, if he can. Damn, here I sit almost crying just thinking about it. So damn good.

My only real complaint is that Peter Jackson thinks he has to make everything epic and so he added all the Necromancer stuff and it doesn’t need it. It’s a straight-forward adventure, you know. I understand they can’t have it be strictly Bilbo’s POV, despite it being called The Hobbit, because Bilbo keeps getting knocked unconscious or separated from the group. But they could have done Bilbo-POV and Thorin-POV and not had all the wizard stuff - (as much as I love me some wizards). It could have been two movies easily. But I kind of expected as much going in. Sometimes I feel like Peter Jackson is just doing a parody of Peter Jackson, you know.

My only other complaints are trivial - I started laughing during the giant rock fight thing, because they looked like Rock’em Sock’em Robots and once that image popped in my head, it would NOT go away. Now I've ruined it for all of you, haven't I? Also, how come Balin got all old and Thorin did not? They’ve been together since the days of The Mountain and yet Balin seems to have aged quite a lot more than Thorin and also, his role seemed a little downplayed. Those are personal complaints though because Balin is my favorite and I want more of him. That said, I was happy they upped Fili and Kili’s roles because what we get of them in the book I rather liked and I was happy they got a little more play in the movie - (also for superficial reasons, because heeeeeellllllo, yummy).

Re-reading the book has reminded me of how much I friend-ship the hell out of Balin and Bilbo and if any fic comes out of The Hobbit from me, I dare say it’ll be Balin and Bilbo friend-shipping fic. Though, post-movie, I am not opposed to some Fili/Kili/Bilbo fic. Yes, I said that! Mostly, just seeing Elrond again made me desperately need some good ol’ fashioned Elrond/Glorfindel - (I know, Glorfindel wasn’t even in the movie!). Or maybe some good Erestor fic - (I know, he has like what, one line in the Lord of the Rings books and yet somehow fandom made him awesome and I love him forever!).

/clears throat/ Anyhoo, yeah, so you all get on that Fili/Kili slash for me now, thanks.
 
 
 
Kate: disney maid marian fangirlceitfianna on December 17th, 2012 04:53 am (UTC)
Yes, I haven't reread the book yet. I think I'll do that over break but I want to see the movie again. I loved it and didn't mind the added epicness because there was delicious humor and it worked so well. I bought the soundtrack today.
dodger_sister: dwarvesdodger_sister on December 20th, 2012 01:54 am (UTC)
J said she was going to reread the book before the movie and I thought, well I might as well too. I am so glad I did because it kind of rekindled my love for all things Middle-Earth right before the movie opened.

I think a part of me was annoyed at the epicness because had it been a little more the children's tale it was meant to be, I think The Nephew would take to it more. We're taking him the day after Christmas, but I am worried he won't sit through the whole thing.

Oh, the score was lovely, as to be expected. I'll probably pick that up at some time too. (didn't it also make you all nostalgic to see all our favorite people's name on the screen again? I clapped for Fran and Phillipa's names and I even got all 'awwww' at Andrew Lesnie).
Kate: Hatter is bemusedceitfianna on December 20th, 2012 02:29 am (UTC)
*nods* The epicness got me thinking what if these movies had come before the other ones. That would have allowed this one to be lighter because its the intro to the world with hints of darkness. Then it builds and builds instead of going back to lighthearted after almost the end of the world.

I know that's not how it happened but I'm really looking forward to the point when I can watch The Hobbit and then Lord of the Rings.
dodger_sister: dwarvesdodger_sister on December 21st, 2012 02:02 am (UTC)
The epicness got me thinking what if these movies had come before the other ones. That would have allowed this one to be lighter because its the intro to the world with hints of darkness. Then it builds and builds instead of going back to lighthearted after almost the end of the world.

That's true, actually. Maybe if I think about all the added epicness in The Hobbit that kind of threw me off as the precursor to the massive epicness of LotR, then it all makes more sense to me and maybe won't bother me as much.

Oh, man, I can't even stand the thought of like 6 movie nights in a row of all Middle-Earth awesomeness! It just makes me explode with anticipation!
Shireboundshirebound on December 17th, 2012 01:16 pm (UTC)
they could not have cast anyone better than Martin Freeman. Not in a hundred years. Beautiful and perfect and Bilbo down to the bone.

That makes me so happy. )
dodger_sister: dwarvesdodger_sister on December 20th, 2012 01:57 am (UTC)
I just saw on your LJ that you've seen The Hobbit now. Wasn't Martin Freeman perfectly cast? Idk how PJ & Co knew to find him, but I am so glad they did.

His facial expressions were the best!
Shireboundshirebound on December 20th, 2012 01:59 am (UTC)
He was PERFECTLY cast. The casting of Bilbo and Thorin were as right-on as Frodo and Aragorn. What a relief.

*still flying high in happy hobbit feelings*
realpestilencerealpestilence on December 26th, 2012 05:57 pm (UTC)
I saw The Hobbit yesterday, and immediately started cruising (desperately!) for Fili/Kili or anybody/Kili slash mentions-and your entry came up. Hi! :)


I liked the basic story, and think the acting well done. But there were so many added parts that made me say wtf, like the rock giants battling that you mentioned, or the Pale Orc story thread, and waaaaay too long fight scenes. Jackson desperately needs editors or some kind of oversight committe that can tell him NO and stick to it; his self-insertions rarely benefit the movies, imo.

Still. I'll probably see it again. I liked the backstory on Thorin quite a lot, and there was a nice amount of pretty to look at, in amongst all the beards.
dodger_sister: dwarvesdodger_sister on December 28th, 2012 09:02 pm (UTC)
Hi back!

You know, I saw The Hobbit again yesterday and the need for some Fili/Kili grew even stronger in me. I actualy got hit with two plot bunnies, one of which I think I may end up writing - because seriously, what were Fili & Kili doing that was so distracting that they didn't notice Trolls runing off with their horses? I think that scene is just begging to be written, don't you?

I think the acting was amazing and all my favorite dwarves were so true to their characters; Balin, Thorin, Dwalin, Bofur, Fili & Kili - not to even mention how well cast Bilbo was, perfectly.

But there were so many added parts that made me say wtf, like the rock giants battling that you mentioned, or the Pale Orc story thread, and waaaaay too long fight scenes.

I expected the extra long fight scenes - Peter Jackson is notorious for them after all. But yeah, way too many added threads. I mean, LOTR had lots of threads because it had so many people to follow and they all split up and went their own ways, but The Hobbit didn't need that added element to it - it was a children's book, after all.

The addition of the Wizard Councils and the Necromancer bothered me more than anything, because it distracts from Bilbo and Thorin's tale. The Pale Orc bothered me some too, but not as much because the writerly side of my brain can rationalize why they needed a threatening enemy throughout, since the dragon is a long way off. The Rock Giants are in the book, but they aren't close up like that (I don't even know if they see them, just the rocks they are throwing) and idk, it just seemed very comical to me. I took my nephew the other day though and he really liked the rock giants, so I guess from a kid's perspecive, that was cool. /shrug/ They still make me think of Rock Em Sock Em robots though.

Jackson desperately needs editors or some kind of oversight committe that can tell him NO and stick to it;

He has one! That's Phillipa's job! And she did such a good job of it reinging him in for LOTR (you don't even want to know what he had in store for old Bill the Pony, but she smacked him down on it). I think maybe he is starting to influence her more these days, rather than the other way around. lol

I actually liked Thorin more in the movie than I did in the book, which is saying something pretty strong. I wouldn't mind seeing it again, honestly. Third time's the charm, after all.

Yep, after all this talk of Dwarves, I definitely think I'll have to write that scene for Fili/Kili. Indeed. :)